February 2007

Yamazaki Kazuyu to Niall Hobhouse

Friday, February 9th, 2007

I am sending my comment about the competition
process as you required on the website:
 
Why don’t we send our first stage document
by a PDF A3 document on e-mail?
 
I think electronic delivery is better than Royal Mail post.
 
I have had a lot of trouble submitting to competitions in the UK. (Delay
and non-arrival)
 
Therefore some of them changed the submission 
method by attaching a file on e-mail.
 
The participant can then submit more reliably and comfortably.
 
I would really appreciate your concern in this matter.

Niall Hobhouse to Jenny Woods

Friday, February 9th, 2007

Thank you very much indeed, particularly since I thought you were on well-earned sabbatical. I like William Morris as a model and the last para. perfectly expresses the difficulty of intervening - believe me, I like gardens without knowing anything about them (though much more than I did).

In Waterstones this pm: 5th Floor - Architecture and Design, 4th - Philosophy (by tendency, not author), 3rd - Cookery, Natural History and Pets(!), Gardening.

This had some funny consequences that give an engaging spin to inter-disciplinarity, but the gardenists (me included, if allowed) do deserve better.

The problem, at least as it presents in Piccadilly, is with the clients not the pros; even if the pros could relax a bit, and really fight their corner.

Jenny Woods to Niall Hobhouse

Friday, February 9th, 2007

…mais qui va desherber?

Re: John Kennedy’s note - I was also quite offended by the designer/plantsman statement when I first read my way through this website - and also quite surprised by it given the project background. Now with better knowledge of the people and processes I can separate the architects from the Architect and realise that the statement is not your own belief. However John then falls into the same trap himself in his list of requirements for the project. I’m sure there must be people who are as offended by the splitting of ecologist and philosopher/ poet into separate bodies (Noel?) as John and I were by the splitting of designer/planstman. I note he hasn’t listed gardener as a required team member….

Of course you will need more than one person to complete the whole creative project, but I still think the aim of the competition to find someone who can lead it by living in, working with and loving the space for several years is the right one. As the website now states, the winner will be given the support they need and will be interesting to see how the required skill-set evolves - it may be that the shortlisting process thows up candidates with complementary skills who are able to work together - or you may find a paragon who can undertake all the tasks. I think you need gardening’s equivalent of a William Morris - one who can develop a new design style, yet who obtains pleasure from working with their hands and living with the results of their labour.

I’m afraid I saw the FOA essay ‘On Landscape’ as too dire to take very seriously. I look forward to reading the Keywords essay on Nature when it arrives on the site. Having read Tim’s essay on Psychotopia last week five pages shouldn’t be too much of a challenge!
Perhaps indeed in the absence of a discourse they are in paradise.

This brought back a long-lost memory. When I was a child my grandparents had a series of books entitled “The Children’s Book of the World” which were full of educational essays and such things as photos of babies floating on leaves of Victoria amazonica and instructions for making origami water-bombs - some of this stood me in good stead as I grew up! I remember one particular picture illustrating the saying “Where ignorance is bliss, ’tis folly to be wise” with a boy dismantling his sister’s doll to prove to her that it was just material stuffed with straw and not a living thing. The girl was not appreciating this. I think it’s an illustration of the responses to this project and the discussions around it. There are people who are very happy with their dolls/gardens and don’t see the point of dismantling them; there are those who like to be deliberately, almost destructively, challenging to the precious object not caring who they upset; but I see the aims as attempting to take a middle way - being intrigued by taking things apart in order to find out how they work - not meaning to upset anyone with these enquiries - and aiming for a higher state of bliss when its all put back together again.

Rowan Moore to Niall Hobhouse

Monday, February 5th, 2007

My additional reflection would be: all good gardens, as well as coming from
the vision of their maker, represent an idea or ideas: e.g. as to what
nature is; social ideas; about time and different rates of change. They
also have a use, even if it is no more than strolling, viewing, sitting on a
bench. Some of the most famous gardens (16th C Italian, 17th C French, 18th C English) have intensely specific relationships to the activites they
contained.

Niall Hobhouse to Yamazaki Kazuya

Monday, February 5th, 2007

Thank you very much for your letter; we are very keen that you should enter the competition.
For the moment there is really nothing for you to do. Sometime at the end of this month we will put up on the site (and notify all who are registered), the final details of the submission format. Then you will have a few months to think about it.
I am really sorry it all moves so slowly. I like it this way, because I learn so much in the process; but I do understand your frustration.

Yamazaki Kazuya to Niall Hobhouse

Monday, February 5th, 2007

I am really interested in Hadspen Parabola Garden competition.
But I could not find out more detailed information about the date of 1st stage deadline and 
where I submit A3 entry whether registration necessary or not, etc…..


William Martin to Niall Hobhouse

Friday, February 2nd, 2007

Is this the first step to somewhere?

William Martin

Niall Hobhouse to John Kennedy

Thursday, February 1st, 2007

In the first place, our note  on the Manifesto page makes it very clear that competition entrants are under no obligation whatsoever (at any stage of the process) to take the Foreign Office paths as a fixed starting point. This sits uneasily with your feeling that we are being too prescriptive.
 
A second and related thought concerned the Foreign Office text by which you were so exercised. Putting their piece up was in the spirit of the very open premise of the project itself; we  do  just put everything there in the hope that people will make something of it when they read it. But I think one shouldn’t make too much of any text written eight years before the project was begun, and as part of a larger architectural manifesto; and I am sure that one should not then treat it in isolation from other later contributions to the site (FOA’s included) which tackle the same issues.  
 
And I have to add: the Eighteenth Century may represent the glory-days of English landscape design, underpinned by a literate and engaged discourse. But the world has changed, even if people seem content now to garden away without benefit of much discussion of what they are doing. Perhaps indeed in the absence of a discourse they are in paradise.

This isn’t facetious; my biggest difficulty is precisely that gardeners want to assert their right to be left alone in their gardens, and who can really blame them?
 
Gardening itself used to be one of the discernable centres of discussion across the disciplines.  But it is every other area of intellectual endeavour that has benefited since then from a kind of convergence between the different fields of enquiry.  To take a contemporary example, an architect, an economist or an ethnographer would all of them recognize ‘critical regionalism’ or ‘sustainability’ as useful, indeed overused, sets of ideas relevant to their own fields, and giving them access to ideas in others. Some gardeners might say, reasonably, that these were  just  abstract concepts that described something they do anyway, and they might be right. It is just that they are denying themselves a far broader world of ideas, which would offer them real clues about the future direction of their patch.

We are now putting up on the site the complete text of the piece on Nature from Keywords, published in 1976. It begins, ‘Nature is perhaps the most complex word in the language’; five full pages, as dense and rich-as-treacle.  This is merely to demonstrate to gardeners (far better than anything I can do myself)  that a hundred other disciplines, in fields bearing much more directly on ‘real’ life, have been wrestling with the dangers, and the opportunities, of the multiple meanings of nature.  The gardening world seems to regard nature – both the thing and the idea – as their own special property, and one that is still best discussed in the terms established by Pope and Burke.
 
On Tesco car parks: surely these are the greatest modern failure of the landscape profession? I’d be very proud if the only contribution of the Hadspen project was to offer an advance in our approach to, and execution of, something so generally awful. I’d like to explore the parallel you suggest.
 
And I am a bit mystified by the insistence, towards the end of your letter, that garden and landscape should be considered separately. This seems to render what you had been saying of Foreign Office’s written piece irrelevant, at least as a critique of their project. Besides, the 18th Century makes no distinction between the two - it was all garden; what has changed, and when, to make you feel that the two are separate? And is this part of the problem?
 
Your formula of the gardener ‘creating paradises’ does raise more questions than it answers. It is at once too generic to be useful as a design idea, and too subjectively personal to tell us what it is that a garden designer, in this vicarious role, can actually contribute . Other people’s paradises? And whose – the gardener’s, the owner’s, the visitor’s? Each to his own  would serve very well as a motto for most modern gardening practice.  
  
As ever, it is Pope who formulates the problem first and best: ’no public professors of gardening (any more than any public professors of virtue) are equal to the Private practisers of it.’

This question of vicariousness does remain the great unanswered; even, the great unaddressed. I’m astonished by the extent to which this is what this project has been ‘about’, at least so far.
 
My impression is that landscape and garden designers in private practice, and their clients, are still operating on the model invented by Repton. Clearly a man in the right place at the right time, although one should not understate his pragmatic conservatism as a useful way of inserting himself between a changing market and a public discourse that was a bit out of control. These are moments -Jekyll/Lutyens was another- when the professionals can lead rather than respond, but if only they know what is going on.

Climate change, genetic modification, pressure in Northern Europe for housing (let alone gardening) land, changes in the agricultural intervention regime that make farmers into gardeners, a huge rise in popular gardening and garden visiting, makeover tv……. There is enough in this list to suggest that gardening may be at another such moment of transition.
For six months I have been corresponding with a UK garden designers both on very abstract, and very specific, topics to do with making gardens. And yet these subjects have not been raised.
 
To be fair, both Noel Kingsbury and Kim Wilkie have mentioned them in conversation; so we may well be talking here as much about the over-literary format of the website itself as about the bunker mentality of the gardenists.
Either way, it is time to move on.
 
As a positive challenge (and one way that I can illustrate my unease)  I will quote Gilles Clements’s proposition from La Sagesse du Jardinier: ’Regarder pourrait etre la plus juste facon de jardinier demain.’

If this turns out to be true, then it changes everything- and for the professional designer first, and most of all. Other Europeans, and the North Americans, seem to have understood the challenge it represents, but I have yet to see any English practitioner even pick it up, let alone respond.

What do you think?